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Camcorder group test (Part 3) Toshiba Camileo H10 Review

07/10/08 07:46:05 am by James - 1299 words
Categories: Reviews, Podcast/Video

Toshiba Camileo H10 Review

The H10 is Toshiba’s budget entry into the high definition camcorder market. The most remarkable thing about this camcorder is the fact that it’s a high definition camera (HD) for about £180. Not long ago this would have been much more expensive and out of the reach of most of us. Having been mildly impressed by the “handiness” of the SDR-S7 I was interested to see how the H10 would perform with its HD capability given that the two machines are virtually the same price.

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The Toshiba Camileo H10

 

What's in the box?

  • H10 video camera
  • Li-ion rechargeable battery, 3.7v/1050mAh
  • USB cable
  • AV cable
  • HDMI cable
  • Mains charger
  • Remote control
  • Strap
  • Quick start guide
  • Software CD

 

Toshiba Camileo H10 unboxing video

 

General

The H10 is a clean and uncluttered design with an encouraging lack of buttons to tweak and render it useless. Physically, it’s a bit of a brick, albeit a compact one with some decent features. A brick because it’s too big to fit into my pocket, compact because it feels dense in the hand. The dense feel also helps it to feel well-built despite the low price.

The H10 has a 5x optical zoom and can record video in 720p HD MPEG-4 format video on SD or SDHC Cards at frame rates of up to 30fps – this is a decent specification for an entry level camcorder and genuinely useful.

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The Toshiba Camileo H10 controls

 

Rear: Video record; 5-way multi-function keypad for selecting modes and menu items

Top: Zoom in/out; still camera shutter release

Underneath: Battery compartment; SDHC card slot; tripod socket

Left: Power switch; AV-out socket; HDMI socket; USB2.0 socket

 

Toshiba Camileo H10 Specification:

  • Image Sensor: 10.48 Mega Pixel CCD Sensor
  • Operation Modes: Movie Record, Picture Record
  • Lens: F3.5 - 3.7 (f = 6.8 - 34 mm)
  • Focus Range Macro: 1 cm ~30cm
  • Normal: 30 cm ~ infinity
  • Optical Zoom: 5X
  • Shutter: Mechanical Shutter
  • LCD monitor: 2.7” LCD
  • Storage Media: Built-in 64 MB, SD/MMC Card Slot
  • Image Resolution
  • High: 4608 x 3456 (16M pixels)
  • Standard: 3648 x 2736 (10M pixels)
  • Low: 2592 x 1944 (5M pixels)
  • Movie Resolution HD: 1280 x 720, 30 fps
  • D1: 720 x 480, 30 fps
  • VGA: 640 x 480, 30 fps
  • QVGA: 320 x 240, 30 fps
  • White Balance: Auto/Manual (Daylight, Fluorescent, Tungsten)
  • Exposure: ± 1EV in 0.3 steps
  • Self-Timer: Approx. 10 second delay
  • Flash: (for still) Auto/ On/Off/Red Eye Reduction
  • File Format Image: JPEG
  • Movie: AVI (H.264)
  • Image play: Single Image/Thumbnails/Slideshow
  • PC Interface: Mini USB2.0
  • TV out Digital:: HDMI
  • Analogue: Composite Video (NTSC/PAL Selectable)
  • Battery: NP60 Lithium-ion Rechargeable Battery, 3.7v, 1050mAh
  • Dimensions: 117mm x 65mm x 56 mm
  • Weight: 314g (without battery), 340g(with battery)


Highlights:

  • Simple
  • Robust
  • Uses SD cards
  • Easy to use

Lowlights:

  • A bit portly
  • No conventional viewfinder
  • Slow zoom
  • Heat


Review

Although substantially smaller than many mini-DV cams, the first thing to strike me after using the compact SDR-S7 and Sanyo Xacti is just how chunky the Toshiba is. It certainly won’t fit in your trouser pocket. It could be used to as a weapon and it feels like it’s hewn from billet alloy. The upside is that the larger size does make the Tosh' somewhat easier and more comfortable to hold at eye level when compared to the Panasonic SDR-S7.

Fold the screen out and it switches on automatically to either present you with the video filming mode or the still camera mode depending where it left off last time. Switching between the two is merely a single key press away. Video recording is simply a case of pointing it at the subject and then pressing the record button on the rear of the camera body.
There is plenty of control over shooting modes via the menu system, which is easy to navigate by virtue of the fact it is very simple and clear.

The Tosh’ is capable of recording in HD resolution of 1280 x 720 pixels at 30 frames per second (fps). This is quite some going for a budget model when you consider that most DV cams work at 720 x 576 and 25fps. You should be aware though that editing such large images is fairly demanding for any pc and some well-known photo-editing applications still aren’t HD ready. There’s plenty of other resolutions available that take up far less storage space if your needs are less demanding, however, it seems to be pointless using them unless you upload to a video mangling service like YouTube.

Accessing the menu system is not obvious initially and there is no menu key per se. It’s done via the centre-select key on the 5-way navigator keypad. The menu system has sensibly been kept simple and logical, but alas it has one really annoying flaw. Once you have selected an option it closes down the menu subsystem entirely to return you back to the camera view. What if you want to change another option or undo the changes you’ve just made? You have to navigate all the way there again.

The 5x optical zoom is quite limited when compared to conventional DV-cam opposition. This is typical for a budget camera. Unfortunately, the zoom control is extremely tardy and the lens is both slow to zoom and focus. This renders the camera less than idea for sports footage or fast moving subjects. In normal general filming it would be less noticeable.

I was pleased to see that the charging is done via the USB2.0 mini-socket. This means it should also be possible to charge from your computer when connected. The battery itself is a 3.7v/1050mAh item which gives a life of around 50 minutes – this was slightly less than I expected but probably reasonable given the higher definition. During charging and normal use I noticed that the entire camera got very warm – this is a bit disconcerting. The same heat was also transferred to the SD card which, doesn’t bode well for longevity of the card – another reason why a man might not wish to put it in his trouser pocket!

There is no conventional lens cover – instead the lens is protected by a large hard plastic cover. This is all very well, but the cover doesn’t appear to be replaceable so, if it gets scratched then you compromise image.

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Toshiba Camileo H10 lens

 

Movie quality was entirely acceptable although I really didn’t notice any improvement in quality rendered by HD over SD. The whole thing is quite subjective really and depends upon so many things such as the quality of monitor it is viewed on, the physical size of the CCD, compression etc. I daresay if you had a HD tv then you would notice the difference. As a stills camera it makes a passable job and there’s no reason why it couldn’t be your only stills camera although the normal caveat still applies - if you want a stills camera then buy one.

You can download a sample video - taken straight from the H10 memory card with this link.

 

Conclusion:

The H10 is a versatile camera that should satisfy most users needs unless they are serious filmers. It’s easy to use, feels well put together and it’s not expensive. Really, for £180 the buyer is getting a decent machine for not much money and I feel it offers better value than the Panasonic SDR-S7 for a similar price. Having previously said I would be happy with the Panasonic as an everyday device, I am now having to revise that in favour of the Tosh’. Just beware of its bulk.

Join me again soon for the next camera in the Camcorder Group Test or head over and look at Part 1 to see which cameras we are including or have a look at my Panasonic SDR-S7 review or Sanyo Xacti HD700 review.

 

Review by: Nigel

Devicewire

29 comments

Comment from: David [Visitor]
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A good review.
I couldn't download the the sample video. The Quicktime plug-in reported that I needed additional software (but didn't say what).
Could I just download the file and figure out how to get it running, and also to see if I can edit it with my usual software package. I use VLC and other software to view video files.
12/10/08 @ 20:44
Comment from: PAUL H. I. [Visitor]
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Sample video just kalidoscope colours (Panasonic S7 good video!) Aldi selling Traveler HD 10X this thursday - looks very similar to Tosh but 5 meg pixel& 10X optical zoom price £129.99! Have you any info on this item? Probably will sell out at opening time! Best site i've been on for reviews of camcorders, thanks,
regards, Paul.
19/10/08 @ 15:22
Comment from: Homer [Visitor]
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Is that really the video footage from this Tosh camcorder? If it is, it is terrible!
28/10/08 @ 16:22
Direct from the Memory card, no processing or anything.
28/10/08 @ 16:27
Comment from: Stuart Jones [Visitor]
Be aware, this is a re-badged Toshiba made in China - search for Digilife DDV-Z530 on Google and you'll see the no-named badged equivalent.

28/10/08 @ 17:05
Comment from: Homer [Visitor]
Thanks Matt for the prompt reply, I'm surprised the picture quality is so poor, shocked in fact. In comparison to the Aiptek Z500 Plus on your website there is no comparison is there? I think that Aiptek can be picked up sub £200 now as well?
28/10/08 @ 17:06
Comment from: David [Visitor]
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I managed to download the video. It is very bad. The purple stripes are terrible. You've done me a favour - I'm not going to waste any money on this!
18/11/08 @ 22:33
Comment from: Diogo [Visitor] Email
How can the reviewer say that the video has good quality? the hd700 as twice or more quality... can you clarify the users?
25/11/08 @ 13:21
Comment from: Mr Span [Visitor]
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Wow, Toshiba must be desperate or daft (both I think) rebadging such cheap and nasty Chinese junk. I saw one of these in Tesco and it looks ok but feels very cheap and nasty... then I saw the video clip and it performs pretty poorly. Still it's cheap and it's obvious why.
27/11/08 @ 21:45
Comment from: Paulo [Visitor]
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Omg! The video is terrible. I was expecting to buy it for christmas and, hopely, i saw this review... Tkx. I won´t buy it!
27/11/08 @ 22:40
Comment from: Hans [Visitor]
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There must be something wrong with the video example Matt! I own the Toshiba Camileo Pro HD, which is a cheaper model that makes great video's and photo's. I can't imagine that the H10 is of less quality. So please put an adequate example on the site before everyone is throwing up on Toshiba.
06/12/08 @ 11:48
Hans,

What can I tell you?! This video example is direct from the SD card, I haven't done any processing on it at all. It's set to the HQ mode too.

Matt
06/12/08 @ 12:13
Comment from: camilo [Visitor] Email
The picture I get from the Camileo using the HDMI output connected to my 720 p projector is perfect. What bothers me is that I get just over 5 minutes of recording time on an 8G SD card in the HD mode. Can that be right? Or is there something wrong with the memorycard?
10/12/08 @ 18:03
Comment from: ANDREW [Visitor]
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It must be joke?! That video sample is horrible.
16/12/08 @ 19:49
Andrew,

Several people have said the same - that file genuinely came direct from the memory card, I haven't done any editing. I'm at a loss as to what I can have done wrong, I just assumed that the camera a bit naff!

Matt
16/12/08 @ 20:15
Comment from: Alun [Visitor] Email
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Thanks guys for the comments, I work for Toshiba in the UK and could buy this unit for £85 off our discount web site but having seen the comments and your experience of using this unit I dont think I will bother.

I am goin to Oz next year and wanted a good camera for the trip p[lus I am expecting a new grandy so dont want to be dissapointed
thanks again
17/12/08 @ 00:30
Comment from: BradyDale [Visitor] Email · http://www.thistoowillpass.com/bradydale
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it seems like none of these new mini hi-def cameras can take an external mic. Am I wrong? I'd like one, but I also want to use a wireless mic. Impossible?
17/12/08 @ 21:26
I think you are correct in your assumption there, the only camera we have on test that I know can take an external mic is the Xacti HD1000/HD1010.
18/12/08 @ 06:28
Comment from: A.T. [Visitor]
anyone checked audio output from .avi ? I was shocked to discover adpcm/11Khz/4 bit/mono instead of say 128-256 kbps AAC compressed
30/12/08 @ 19:27
Actually we are going to revisit this model as many H10 owners have told us that they get far better results from their cameras than we did. This leads me to think that either the h10 we had was faulty (unlikely) or that the previous reviewer messed with the settings.
30/12/08 @ 21:38
Comment from: Steve [Visitor] · http://www.nysoc.co.uk
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I have just picked one of these up from the supermarket as it had a sale on it, got back feeling like a little kid, opened it up and was like the styling etc how it works, apart from the menu options, Started to film a 5m clip in full HD, played it back via the screen and thought how crap it looked, plugged it into my 50" full 1080 HD plasma, and for 720hd the pic was shocking, the pic looked better when i used my old samsung mini tape one. Going back tomorrow for a refund.. There is no way you can get a good pic out of it.
09/01/09 @ 20:20
Comment from: Jim [Visitor]
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I do not understand. How can the review be so positive when the posted video is horrid? Is the reviewer blind? What is even weirder is that the reviewer then seems to agree the video is really bad... SO WHY THE POSITIVE REVIEW?
21/01/09 @ 08:34
If you are talking about my comments then I am not the reviewer!
21/01/09 @ 08:38
Comment from: Mike [Visitor]
It's not a big deal guys. If you can add a circular polarizer or possibly even a UV filter, the purple lines should go away - it's just a reflection on the lens due to the sun hitting it. (A lens hood would also fix it).
21/01/09 @ 16:00
Comment from: Barnbaby [Visitor]
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Mike is correct. The camera should not have been pointed into the bright sunlight; this caused the exposure control to overcompensate, washing out the picture. Also, the lens probably is not coated, thus the purple lines. A hood would definitely help here. The video up to that point looked OK; colors seem somewhat washed out, but the image is sharp. I was wondering if the camera has any type of image stabilization, as it looked quite jumpy when zoomed in to the church, although the image was still sharp...IMHO.
27/01/09 @ 12:37
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Hi

I just started using one of these!
No way is the video quality as bad as has been suggested.
Check out my YouTube channel for a few test videos.

What I do not like is:

1) Battery charger was in two parts when unpacked and I had to glue it back together!
2) No lens cap, very bad stupid even!
3) As noted in this review the inability to make multiple setting changes without having to go back to the menu each time is annoying.
4) The most annoying use of the FFDshow codec so that video editing software can't deal with it and you have to have this codec installed on anything you are playing the videos on!
This has been a huge problem and I wonder if this is why so of you find the review video so poor?

What I like:
It was cheap LOL
08/02/09 @ 09:44
Comment from: GanjaStu [Visitor]
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The quality looked good but the colours kept on changing every time the zoom changed. As lots of people these days, me included, film themselves for YouTube, it would be handy for the reviewer to tell us that the view finder can rotate around 180 degrees so that we know we can see ourselves as we film. Also, I didn't see any mention of maximum film length, which is always good to know. Wouldn't buy this camera.
10/04/09 @ 14:59
Comment from: Rayrosher [Visitor]
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well guys I have the other side of the coin with this camera i have The Camileo Pro hd 1280x720 the stand up version,Like the Flip camera, and for night or in a room when it's on the dark side,
This camera is well to put it bluntly! "Crap"
However in daylight It performs very well indeed i have to admit that i got mine from tesco just after xmas for £119 reduced from £149
The reason i got my camera was for insurance purposes I take in in the hgv with me plug the usb into the cigar power socket and let it charge up while filming I have an 8 gig card in it and can record about 8 hours of video at full hd resoloution, the night shot is dire at best if ytou want it for anything other than outside work or in a well lite room this should be ok for anything else look somewhere else////
heres a link to a video i shot just a few weeks ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs2qaOU6iA&feature=channel_page


Click on the hd to get the best resoloution
13/05/09 @ 13:52
Comment from: Lee [Visitor]
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I have just brought this cam and yep the video is crappola.

My LG KC910 mobile phone actually takes a better video image than this HD crap, heck my phone even records in wide screen and I shall be taking it back tomorrow morning and demanding my money back!
21/06/09 @ 19:00

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