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Samsung i780 review

19/03/08 07:17:12 am by Matt - 1857 words
Categories: Mobile/Computing, Reviews

I was asked to review this phone and thought great, another Samsung, how wrong can someone be? Do I like this phone? Read on…

To be honest I knew very little of this phone as I am not a Blackberry type or QWERTY fan at all. So this type of unit I tend to give a wide berth and not so much as a second look.

Due to be released very shortly and at present exclusive to Orange, this unit sits at the upper end of the market and offers a full function PPC with all the attributes that we now take for granted and more besides.

Samsung SGH-i780
Samsung SGH-i780

What's in the box?

Matt's Samsung i780 unboxing video will show you just what you get with the i780 but in summary:

  • The Samsung SGH-i780
  • Getting started disc
  • Quick reference guide
  • USB sync and charge cable
  • Mains adaptor
  • Headphones
  • 2 standard batteries
  • Battery charging caddy
  • Samsung i780 specification:

  • Microsoft Windows Mobile 6 Professional
  • 624 MHz Marvell CPU
  • 256 MB ROM / 128MB RAM
  • 2.5 " 320x320 TFT Touchscreen
  • GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100
  • CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
  • Built-in QWERTY-type keyboard, 37 keys
  • microSD card slot
  • Bluetooth 2.0
  • WiFi: 802.11b/g
  • Built in NMEA 0183 GPS
  • 2.0mp camera
  • 61.3 x 115.9 x 13.3 millimetres
  • 120 Grams
  • GENERAL

    The top of the i780 finds the front-facing VGA camera and earpiece also the status light indicator. Below these is the square 320x320 touchscreen, which sits flush with the casing and has slightly mirrored finish. Not ideal in bright sunlight but still useable.

    Below the screen there is the normal softkeys, default set to contacts and calendar. The phone pick up and end keys that also double up as loud speaker key and device lock key respectively. Positioned between these there is the Windows Start and an OK button. And between those there is the innovative optical joystick-cum-Dpad. Below is the full 37 key QWERTY key pad with white highlighted number keys, reasonably standard now on this type of device. The keypad has a white coloured backlight when pressed.

    Samsung SGH-i780 controls
    Samsung SGH-i780 controls

    On the left side there is a lanyard hole and nothing more than a up and down volume rocker and a reset hole.

    Samsung SGH-i780 left side
    Samsung SGH-i780 left side

    The right side from top to bottom are a flap covering the connecting socket for the USB lead or headset. The next housing also covered is for the microSD card and finally the camera key.

    Samsung SGH-i780 right side
    Samsung SGH-i780 right side

    There is nothing on the base of the phone apart from the microphone hole.

    Samsung SGH-i780 bottom
    Samsung SGH-i780 bottom

    The top is home to the power button and the telescopic stylus housing.

    Samsung SGH-i780 top
    Samsung SGH-i780 top

    The back of the unit is pretty bare apart from the battery housing and the 2 Mega pixel camera and a small speaker grill. This has a pleasant rubberised feel and comfortable to hold.

    Samsung SGH-i780 main camera
    Samsung SGH-i780 main camera

    Highlights

  • The 2 mega pixel camera
  • Fast 624 MHz Marvell processor
  • Connectivity speeds
  • Comfortable and easy to use
  • Lowlights

  • 320x320 screen creating issues with some 3rd party applications
  • Unresponsive touchscreen
  • Propriety connections for USB and headset.
  • REVIEW

    My first impression of the i780 was one of pleasant surprise, the unit feels comfortable in the hand and it feels a lot smaller than it is, in fact it is the near enough the same height and width as the iPaq 614c, that I have just reviewed, but a approximately 4.3mm slimmer, and this for me made a world of difference. I had to check the dimensions again, as the difference in appearance was dramatic.

    Also on first impression the keyboard appears to be too busy and small for me to be able to use, but after a short play and without reading the manual it proved to be easy to use and one handed texting was a breeze and this from an anti QWERTY man. Pretty much all of the buttons are dual function, offering an alternative symbol or number at the touch of the fn button. For example as mentioned the Phone keys double up, as does the camera key which is used to call up a mini windows media player, the OK button when held brings up the Task Manager, the left of centre keys act as number keys etc..I also like dedicated Message and GPS buttons found on the bottom row, a long side the space/vibrate button and the caps lock amongst others.

    I even quickly got to grips with the optical Dpad/joystick, with the lightest of touches and a small sweep of the pad with your thumb, proved to be very responsive and accurate when needed, I did find myself using it quite a lot. There is also the option to use mouse mode in the same manner, but this I agree with Matt is not ideal on a WM device, and prefer not to use it.

    I am really impressed with the speed of the thing for example downloading a video podcast from the built in extras menu, saw a 12mb clip downloaded on wifi in around a minute. And nipping around the applications is a superb, the only gripe here mentioned by Matt in the Unboxing is the touchscreen which although flush with the casing on the top appears to be quite badly recessed in the device, occasionally it takes a couple of taps to get a response, not by any means a major problem but an irritation.

    Software

    The WM menu seems pretty unremarkable, apart from being a little Orange, there is the option of ‘Themes’ which is a smart way to customise the overall colour of the screen and the text colour, lots of options here, in both areas, from one end of the rainbow to the other. Also the option in ‘wake up’, to choose which button or buttons brings the device back to life after standby. Settings offers a Data Call Manager, HSDPA enable/ disable.

    The programs menu offers, out of the ordinary, Alarms which offers Wake up and 4 others besides, Orange Plus which shortcuts to various topics such as sports latest, financial markets, lifestyle, all of which requests a text message with the info to be sent back to you. Photo slides gives access to ‘My Pictures’ with options to browse or zoom and see as a slide show with very pleasant lift music running in the background, is that customisable anyone?

    It was nice to see software bundled in the device as well; a mini player meaning you can access your WM player without have to take up the whole screen to adjust volume or skip a track. Also included in ‘extras’ is Opera 8.65 for WM great for the tabbed browsing. The aforementioned Podcast application, RSS reader, smart converter and Java. Task manager also works well allowing you to see and the applications that are open and the soft keys default to close and close all.

    Google maps was downloaded and set up in moments and also works very well, seamlessly zooming and scrolling around the desired positions and routes, with the assistance of the capable onboard GPS and A-GPS.

    The GPS signal is acquired pretty quickly, probably thanks in no small part to the Assisted part of the AGPS. Once the ephemeris data is downloaded using any available internet connection (even through activesync) you do not need any network connectivity as, once again, most of my testing here was done without a sim card in the device.

    My biggest surprise, which was also commented by many friends and colleagues, was the 2 mega pixel camera, the clarity and ease of use were for me a real highlight, the menus are clear and understandable and although there is no autofocus or flash the quality for an amateur like me was more than adequate. Taking photos around the house in both daylight and at night with side lights appeared no different. Looking at the ever increasing mega pixels that are around these days, I thought this was going to be another disappointment but it really wasn’t!

    Samsung i780 sample photograph
    Samsung i780 sample photograph

    Telephone functionality was absolutely fine and nice to see that even with the 3g connection the phone worked and also when losing the 3g connection reversion to GPRS caused no issues either. The spoken word was clear, both on speaker and also on the earpiece/ Headset. I would class this as one of the better phones I have used for this purpose.

    Battery life was a little better than most, although it is 1000mAh according to the device, however there is 2 supplied and the charge caddy mentioned already. Not a real issue for me. The only gripe here is the proprietary connector which means you will need a Samsung specific car charger if you are using Sat Nav.

    It wasn’t all good as it might appear, there are gripes such a having to use propriety connectors that Samsung deem fit for purpose but limit the option of connection to chargers, headphones etc. Although the headphones supplied are excellent and the Sync/charge cables work perfectly fine, why can’t they be mini USB style like many of their competitors? Standard connectors for all please.

    And then there is two points about the 320x320 2.5” screen the first already mentioned above with the responsiveness, the 2nd is the ability to use 3rd party applications which is the one of the main reasons we love using Windows Mobile. As a self confessed Phone fiddler I am not convinced that there is that much available in the way of Plug-ins and add-ons that will support this screen format. My personal favourite input programme leaves a gaping hole at the bottom half of the screen, I also use thread SMS software which works fine, I am told that Tomtom supports 320x320 but have not been able to test this, if someone could let us know? So it appears some programmes will work and others won’t but there is not necessarily an easy way of tell which is which. A real shame.

    Finally another niggle, hearing now that there is no way to hard reset the phone, that anyone has found to date, not even Techies at Samsung can advise at this time.

    Conclusion

    OK, I’m converted. This is, in my opinion a very nice device, I realise it will not please everyone, as it might appear overcomplicated, but for an all in competent and capable phone that fits as well in the pocket as it does in the hand, includes all of today’s must haves such as GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA to 3.6 Mbps,as well as Bluetooth with A2DP, wifi, built in GPS and A-GPS. I will definitely be recommending this to my friends and a few have already been showing an interest, is the price tag the ultimate killer? Being slightly above the cost of Matt’s beloved TyTN II will we tempt him to swap? Will the lack of available applications and gadgets mean that you can’t live with it? Time will tell. Can I have a look at the Asus P750 now, Please....?

    Review by: Steve

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    20 comments

    Comment from: Twinzz [Visitor]
    Steve, thanks for your review. Have been using the i780 for two weeks now and must say that this device offers by far the best Windows Mobile 6 experience that I have ever seen! No other WM device that I have seen comes even close in MHO.

    Totally agree though on your comment regarding the Samsung proprietary connector :-(

    20/03/08 @ 10:22
    Comment from: Gavin Fabiani-Laymond [Visitor]
    I would be interested to know which apps were not working with the 320 x 320 res. Are games possible?
    20/03/08 @ 13:56
    Comment from: Maarten [Visitor]
    From what I have read at mobile-review.com that especially games have a hard time with the 320x320. That the touch sensitive parts do not match the screen of the games.

    Tom Tom 6 does appear to work, also with the internal GPS, but for that you also need the Port Splitter application. I've had it in my hands today in the Netherlands a unbranded version and that today screen did provide some useful tabulated options (settings, favorites etc..) which you can alter as well!

    I am seriously considering it, I have had a E61 and wanted a HSDPA phone when my contract ended last year, I went for a Motorola RAZR V6. Not to bad but I really mis good PIM, E-mail and Internet options. So now I am in the market again, I did like the E61 QWERTY keyboard. So I'll have to try it some more in the store, see if these smaller keys satisfy my needs.

    My question is, how much mAh is the battery, Samsung website claims 1480, but you mention 1000 and so does mobile-review.com
    20/03/08 @ 16:01
    Comment from: Serge [Visitor]
    I bought it a week ago and my biggest disappointment so far is the lack of voice commander to use with the bluetooth. I had Qtek 9000 and got to use voice dialing constantly everywhere, especially driving. Mouse isn't a problem at all for me, but the need to find and install additional voice software is.
    20/03/08 @ 18:22
    Comment from: Dave [Visitor]
    Its great but it seems Skype doesnt work with the i780, there are a variety of errors, and many people having issues - actually it crashes the system and a soft reset is necessary. Tracy, Matt, Anybody...come to the rescue? Any ideas? Is there any update?
    22/03/08 @ 04:08
    Comment from: Si [Visitor]
    Excellent and balance review. I have had an Orange i780 for a week now and really like it although I feel that the Today screen could do with an improvement. In Matt's unboxing video he mentioned that he would show how to get ride of the Orange customisation as I don't like the Orange colour scheme either. I have change the Today screen to Windows default but every now and again get the Orange orange & grey back! Please advise.

    Also have found that Google Maps works well but would be grateful of some assistance on how to get TomTom working. I have not had a problem with Skype, it works well.

    Thanks & keep up the good reviews it really helps in these days of SO much choice!
    26/03/08 @ 18:36
    Comment from: karatedog [Visitor]
    I own an SGH-i600 and planning to swap that ol' brick to an i780. Having the proprietary connector in itself is not a big issue, but if you are a hardcore music listener (which I am), you cannot listen to music and charge the phone at the same time. And that means you will eventually exhaust the battery. (of course I can charge the extra battery while listening to music, but then the replacement will an annoyance...)
    29/03/08 @ 23:01
    Comment from: piyush [Visitor]
    Great review, my oppinion is that this is the best WM device I have owned to date. As the review says, this phone has all the features one could wish for. I have found the battery life to be very good, if you keep all features switched off (wifi/bluetooth/GPS) the battery lasts many days.

    The mouse pointer is an absolute beauty, i've also got a hp hx4700 - which has this feature but i never used because it was positioned in the wrong place. On the Samsung it is placed perfectly which makes the phone usable with one hand - so you don't need to pull the stylus out and you don't get nasty finger print marks on the screen.

    Well done Samsung!
    10/04/08 @ 14:25
    Comment from: Amir [Visitor]
    Does anyone know if tomtom satnav software can work on this phone and if so where can you get it.

    Please reply ASAP
    Thank you
    12/04/08 @ 14:27
    Comment from: Howard [Visitor]
    Hi does anyone know with a Samsung i780 if when the thing is in standby mode, should the screnn go off but the phone stay on?

    only no matter which settings i choose, it either turns the phone completely off or the screen stays on.

    can anyone help
    12/04/08 @ 16:19
    Comment from: Mike Powell [Visitor]
    I have purchased one of the i780 and it is a great device. I am trying to now get Blackberry connect to work on it. It seems to load on fine, fits on the 320x320 screen well but it does not seem to be able to find a connection. Anyone got any bright ideas? I would love to be able to get off my Blackberry once and for all. Aside of the small Blackberry connect glitch, a little bit of a drab UI, this is a great device.
    19/04/08 @ 09:32
    Comment from: Izzy H [Visitor]
    I have the same problem! The light stays on everytime a new message comes in. Also, I manually switch the backlight off by short pressing the power button. But as soon as a new message comes in, the light stays on which eats up my battery. I have tried everything!

    And when I haven't checked my phone for a while, it turns off by itself which is a hassle. Can anyone help me with this? :) Thanks for the help!

    Izzy
    21/04/08 @ 07:38
    Comment from: Eleven11 [Visitor]
    I have just gotten the i780 and it's my first pda phone. Quite rattled by it with the many new features it has compared to my previous (1G!) phone. Can anyone advise on:

    1. Typing Chinese characters on sms (I can't seem to find
    any language options)

    2. Enabling auto device locking after X seconds
    (I read from here and other forums that keypad locking is
    manually done but I'm just asking in case someone has
    figured a way to do it)

    3. Displaying a auto taskbar that can tell you which
    programs are currently running

    Many thanks!
    28/04/08 @ 09:16
    Comment from: Stuart [Visitor]
    can somebody please tell me if this device supports bluetooth profile sim access???
    28/04/08 @ 16:32
    Comment from: Alexander Babao [Visitor]
    Thanks for the feedback on the i780. it is one handsome unit for a Korean brand. and i've been using it for about a month now. One thing i like about it is it's tolerance for moisture. if you have sweaty palms.face. the rubber keypads do keep things out very well. even the finger mouse device does keep moisture away from the unit. no failures yet. I keep things very basic and just installed mobipocket for ebook reading.. so far the unit under windows mobile 6 professional is very stable.. you can also watch movies on this device and encode it in 3gp. it still does keep a good job in ensuring video quality is not that bad at all on it's 320x320 screen.
    27/05/08 @ 13:33
    Comment from: Alexander Babao [Visitor]
    so far from what i've seen only the S60 3rd edition of Symbian devices can use this bluetooth profile sim access feature The current i780 was not meant to be utilized as a hands free car phone.. but it does have hands free options using it's headset or any bluetooth wireless earpiece device you may have. Ive used a jabra on this phone but it's only main feature is to accept and dial...that's what the i780 can do with a bluetooth headset for now
    27/05/08 @ 14:06
    Comment from: Gareth Smith [Visitor]
    Great review as always. Slight concern about your comment with the screen size... "320x320 screen creating issues with some 3rd party applications"

    Anyone tried running mSuite from CommonTime on this phone?

    Thanks!
    08/07/08 @ 16:32
    Comment from: Wilson [Visitor]
    There should be no problem with running mSuite on this device. mSuite runs on any device that has WM operating system.

    A few people at CommonTime have ordered this device for their own use so I can't see that this would have happened if there was a problem.
    09/07/08 @ 12:10
    Comment from: Tankie1rtr [Visitor]
    Hi, can anybody please tell me if I wold be bale to use the i780 on my pay as you go simcard.
    Thank You
    24/08/08 @ 15:30
    Comment from: james [Visitor]
    ****-
    Anyone know if you can turn the screen off or standby the phone when connected to a car kit through bluetooth. If I connect it to my car then press the power button it puts the phone to standby but then after a few secs turns it back on again.

    I want to be able to have the screen off when drving unless using the phone.
    31/08/08 @ 11:42

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